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Unpopular opinions: feminism by Marsmar Unpopular opinions: feminism by Marsmar
This is probably going to be my most unpopular opinion so let me explain where I'm coming from.

Often times you'd hear feminists describe history as a patriarchy where men did everything for the benefit of other men and tried their hardest to keel women down. I for one find this claim to be incredibly inaccurate for a few different reasons.

1. Infant mortality. Pretty much any time before the 20th century, there was a very high chance that any new borns would die. Throw in the fact that Germ theory wasn't known for most of human history and medical practices were about as safe as a back alley abortion and you should get a good idea of what the 19th century and back were like.

So why is this important? Because women were largely needed to pass on the heritage. Everyone from the highest of royals to the lowest of laborers wanted to pass on their legacy.
Since keeping kids alive at that time wasn't at all easy, people needed to have more kids. Hell, that's basically the reason why Pasteur went on to discover the Germ theory, because his kids died and he wanted to know what caused it.

And why is this important? Because in those times, taking care of kids really was a full time responsibility. Think of every piece of equipment that makes lives easier. Indoor plumbing, electricity, heaters and air conditioning, the vacuum, the stove and oven, the washing machine, and the refrigerator.
All those appliances that we now have makes life easier and completes tasks faster didn't exist for most of human history so any tasks around the house that needed to be done took a lot longer and was a full time job.
If you really want to know why people wanted women to say at home, it's because they're the only people who can carry on people's legacy. Not the most glamorous idea today but it was very important in the past.

So at this point you're probably saying that society was in fact men oriented because men went to work and women stayed at home. This leads me to the second point.

2. Did woman really want to be like men

Place yourself in the shoes of a common laborer. What is your day like?
You wake up early in the morning, you spend hours and hours in work under conditions parallel to slavery because the companies consider you expendable. Perhaps your a farmer so your work long hours under the blazing sun cutting wheat for minimum pay. Looks like it's war time! Now it's your duty as a citizen to leave your home and family and risk your lives for a conflict that you might not even believe in. All of this and you share the fruits of your labor with the family.

The point is, the life for almost every man in history sucked. Sure, there was the rich and powerful who controlled everything, and that's somewhat the point of the comic. That the feminists were wrong when they said history was one gender keeping another down when it was more like one class keeping another down. Feminists complain that men were able to work but they never mention what jobs men had. They never mention the coal mines and the factories, just the fact that men had jobs. If anything, women were the most privileged gender since they weren't required to work like men did.

3. As for the last point, I want to discuss the issue with the idea that everything men did in the past was strictly for men. This idea has so many errors in it I don't even know where to begin? What did men to only for men? Was it the invention of birth control that allowed women to enjoy sex without getting pregnant? Was it making laws that state men have to give in a good percentage of their income to the wife and kid even if the wife wants to be a single mom? Or was it the law forbidding female genetical mutilations while completely ignoring male genital mutilation?
Saying that men only did things for men is an error filled absolute. You might not hear about the men in favor of woman's suffrage, but chances are you don't hear much about white people who attended the Martin Luther King Jr rally either.

Now I'm aware that there were cases where men limited what power women had such as the right to vote and getting an education, but the point is that the patriarchy feminists talk about when discussing history is vastly over exaggerated and leaves out incredibly important details. That's the point.

Finally, some of you might have read through this and said "but I support equal rights for both genders and I'm a feminist". Sure, that's fine. I couldn't call you a feminist in good conscious because though the followers of feminism can differ greatly, the ideology itself heavily implies a woman oriented favoritism. But if you do want equality between the genders, that's great. I do too. Just don't be supporting grossly inaccurate portrayals of history.

Here's an interesting video that covers this subject: [link]
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ZacharyTC Apr 1, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah, I don't like how history is distorted, either.
Bonecall Feb 24, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
prepare to die for that opinion, CIS SCUM GENOCIDAL BABY MURDERER

I really hate when someone calls "your only job in life is to bear and rise a child” a privilege. it is not.

in history, there were a lot of unfair stuff.

 you say work in a coal mine sucks. I say being „forced” by society to carry, bear and raise a child, even if you don’t want to… also sucks.

It is unfair when your only value in life is not you yourself, but your child. man had value in themselves….

and the biggest difference? man was allowed to lead.  women wasn’t.  end of story.

Crapcarp Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No one's saying that bearing and raising a child is a privilege, but rather not having to work is the privilege. Another privilege women have is being able to choose when they have sex and when they bear children.

So if men want to procreate, they have to earn it by pleasing a woman first. One of the most effective ways of doing it is to work in the coal mine to earn a decent salary and prove to a woman that they can provide for her needs.

Now replace "working in a coal mine" with "leading a country" and you begin to see the true nature of gender roles. End of story.
not having to work is the privilege. yeah it would be..problem is..that it was not a "not having to" it was a "not allowed to". and just think about it's consequences....

"So if men want to procreate, they have to earn it by pleasing a woman first.."
ehhehe..still talkin' about history? because if we do so...pleease. they force married woman and raped them...yeah.. even coal miners... about todays, it's true, good point, we not yet clone. 

Crapcarp Mar 18, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Translation: You're wrong because I say so!
and I thought I'm the one who can't speakenglishgood.  but I was mistaken:D
Crapcarp Mar 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh yes, I made a literal lingual translation of English into English. Because that makes total sense. :roll:

Cut the bullshit, it ain't appreciated and it ain't gonna stick anyway.
sorry I'm masochistic ..I so love to argue with idiots about bullshits HAHAHA
Crapcarp Mar 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That makes no sense.
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